VYB Without Downvote, Should that be a call for Concern

firstborn.pob in #vyb • 2 years ago

Should will talk about downvote in the Vyb community,I think Yes, despite the fact that so many people have different opinion on this,even some do say the downvote bar should not have been in existence,but I have a contrary opinion to that.

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The Vyb community is one of the prestigious community that does not come with the downvote bar,which means most user's that are fond of illegal act might actually be thinking of doing that and scaping through.

Honestly unlike so many people that have different opinion as regards the downvote techniques,I have my own reservation which makes me feel that having such structure in all community is very vital as it will help caution alot of illegal happening in the community.

Muting a user's might actually be the best measure of trying to do away with user's that are with illegal act always,but I still recommend the downvote section as the best means of actually making user's that are fond of illegal act pay for their constant way of crime.

Their have been talks and saying that on most occasions some users that have enough HP do misuse the power as they so use that as a means of threatening the less power members in the community.I sincerely recommend that adequate measure should be taken to ensure that downvote is been used well, most especially in communities that have it like the proofofbrain and co.

It will speak so well if the Vyb community can also introduce the downvote bar so as to make sure that all is in place to control all forms of illegall activities in th community.

Still keep asking myself,will a community without the downvote bar be clean of all irregularities.

That I can't say,but many believe that muting a user's is much more better as it is going to take away such users existence from the community,But to me I sincerely hope that the downvote will make the user's see happening and growth of the community and not be part of it.

I really hope that Muting a users should not just be the only Means of controlling illegal act In the community.

Can the downvote bar be introduced

This is beyond my power to decide,but it is what I can hope for as I do see it as one vital major way to control act such as plagiarism and lot more.

People might fumes against the downvote techniques,but to me I sincerely see it as one major thing that as help control and reduce the level of illegal activities in other communities.

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Vyb without Downvote, Should that even be a call for concern.

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2 years ago in #vyb by firstborn.pob

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allcapsonezero 2 years ago

These tribes are all experiments in DPOS community. This one is testing the no-downvote. I too have mixed feelings about it, but so far, it seems to be working well... As long as the people with voting power are doing their dilligence, it should be working.

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jesustiano 2 years ago

Gonna recomend mute for you :V ok no, yeah is kinda hard, basically controlling would be hard and it would involve a big team in order to actually do the screening and muting of fake articles and stuff. It would be real hard at the long run but to be honest, having no dv have is pro and its con.

Btw xD Vyb is kinda againts the selfvote.

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onealfa.vyb 2 years ago

From my point of view, missing DV feature is the most negative thing in this tribe (VYB)
Inspite of that, I see certain positive things here too.
So after all, I got two options:

Take part, and play by the existing rules
Ignore this space. And LEAVE. Once and forever.

I could do option (2) easily, as nothing was binding myself to VYB from very beginning.
(As I got 0.00 (ZERO) VYB tokens in the AIRDROP)

But you can see I took option (1), and in less than one-month period I went from nothing to solid #1 on the list.
And that #1 today is more than (#2 + #3 + #4) together, combined.

I can not downvote wrong behaved participants.
But I believe I will be able to make my complete and permanent IGNORE just as painful as my (non-existing) downvote.
I also believe I'm not alone in such a view, and with time will have more VYB participants follow my steps.

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firstborn.pob 2 years ago

Definitely am with you on this and will definitely do same also as regards muting anyone find guilty of any irregularities too.

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trostparadox 2 years ago

I am convinced that we can effectively combat abuse without the need for DVs -- and that is exactly why VYB was created, to demonstrate that it can be done and that it can be done effectively.

However, I am equally convinced that creativity and active community involvement are keys to making that happen.

I applaud your creative work-around to not having a downvote.

I am also very attentive (as are the members of the VYB Anti-Abuse Team) to any other suggestions you (and others) might have regarding ways to combat abuse without relying on DVs.

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scholaris.vyb 2 years ago

Moderation is a touch work. I finally have 3 other moderators in the VYB community. Also, I want to make @notconvinced's project proposal a reality. In fact, his project will be mentioned in the upcoming Anti-abuse team moderation policy.

Notification, mute actions, and the ignore options will be some tools for moderation. In the area of ignoring someone's article, notconvinced's proposal will make things much easier in my opinion.

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jesustiano 2 years ago

Hi there, if you ever get any wrong behaved participants, send it to me or scholaris pls,we triying to mod a bit the whole vyb chaos :)

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firstborn.pob 2 years ago

Definitely I won't think twice about forwarding to you ,I think I need to sign on to discord now too

Will be glad to message you and @onealfa too

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onealfa.vyb 2 years ago

Are you on Discord?

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jesustiano 2 years ago

Texted you there, well a "onealfa" username on the pob server.

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onealfa.vyb 2 years ago

Are you on Discord?

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ultravioletmag 2 years ago

What’s the discord again pls ?

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calumam 2 years ago

just as painful as my

Seek help. You are definitely not on the VYB.

Have a good day.

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enforcer48 2 years ago

I can not downvote wrong behaved participants.

Downvotes are not necessarily needed at the tribe level. STEMGeeks, for example, doesn't use downvotess as main mean of combating abuse.

The tradeoff is that moderation is more centralized in the hands of tribe owners and selected moderators/curators.

Even with the current tribe set up, it is possible to take away rewards at the "post level only" without outright muting the account from participating in the tribe.

So, I guess it's a matter of you are okay with a more centralized approach to bad behaviors.

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shubhwaj 2 years ago

I see it as a courageous step and a great move towards creating geniune USP for the tribe. Is is indeed brave because removing the restrictions simply means more and more work. You need to develop and evolve robust moderation mechanisms, well structured and spend significatly more efforts and resources for efficient moderation. Meaning yes, everything do comes at a cost. This freedom if left uncontrolled can even end up drowning the tribe. I am here because both these projects have smart and intelligent members as their key stakeholders. And I can say with conviction that they understand the sensitivity and responsibility it brings to the table. So, the thing is DV is a lazy alternative to curb some what you call 'illegal' activities. Since it is lazy, its inefficient but fast. But it also many more disadvantages you must be probably knowing already. I don't feel that vyb needs the DV back. Not at all.

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ultravioletmag 2 years ago

Down vote is awful because it’s abused by a small amount of wealthy stake holders who cannot even communicate and seem to have some form of mental illness. Simply having an opinion that’s different to them on one topic can result in being targeted for monetary value. It’s already pushed numerous people away from the platform and probably prevented many investing and trusting in it at all. Vyb is supposedly a solution to that and a front end we can use to stop having to deal with it. There are other ways to deal with spam and plagiarism etc IMO. Personally I’m only still here because of these layer 2 s

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calumam 2 years ago

most especially in communities that have it like the proofofbrain and co.

Funnily enough, downvotes aren't a concern on the Proof of Brain platform as the combination of @proofofbrainio and @vyb.pob can counter any malicious downvotes made on the platform, essentially making POB a downvote-free zone (in the way that matters most, imo).

There are a lot of mentions of "illegal" here in this post. I'm not sure if that's a language issue or not.

That I can't say,but many believe that muting a user's is much more better as it is going to take away such users existence from the community

Almost nailed it, "existence from the community" is strong and not completely true. Since VYB is a layer 2 tribe on the Hive blockchain (layer 1), muted members will still be able to reach out to VYB through layer 1 (because of its technology providing account-level censorship-resistance). This will all be stated in the VYB Moderation Policy that is soon to be posted. It's a very good read.

Hope you are having a good day.

ffr:

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calumam 2 years ago

Vyb without Downvote, Should that even be a call for concern.

Here's one for free!
Ask yourself... who is the one whoreally cares about the downvote?

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