The second mulling: Another thing I've been thinking about... qualifications for representation

dwinblood in #hive-122315 • 2 years ago

Right now I see a big part of the global problems being the fact that "representatives" may actually live in many places, and even many countries. It is easy to be swayed, corrupted, etc. to vote certain ways for those you supposedly represent if you don't have to live there or you have other properties and places to flee to.

What if a qualification for any office was that you must reside within the location you represent AND that must be your only area that you have a home or property?

That'd make it so your choices would be guaranteed to impact you and where you live.

Right now we have an accountability problem. Most (perhaps all) of our representatives have property in many different locations. In some cases they even have property outside of the country itself.

Have you considered the concept of patriotism?

Would you truly need to be concerned about your nation during the good and bad if you had another nation you could easily flee to?

"Well this place sucks. No problem I'll just keep paying taxes here so I can remain elected and move to Y!"

I actually think a representative not being able to flee/escape the place they are supposed to represent would make them more likely to do the job they were supposedly elected to do.

Why do you think they push back so much against Nationalism and push for Globalism?

The people doing this do not see themselves as members of a nation. They see themselves as members of a global community.

This would be much like me not seeing my house as my house. I have houses in many other places. If this house collapses that is not a big deal. If someone offers me a sweet deal that might make this house have problems. No problem.

Nationalism is not a bad thing. It is not the same thing as supremacism.

It is not saying MY NATION IS BETTER. It is simply saying "I take care of my own home and safety, and when I have done that I try to help those outside of my home that ASK for my help."

There you have it... another seed of an idea I have been thinking about.

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2 years ago in #hive-122315 by dwinblood

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wdougwatson 2 years ago

This kind of thing goes back to Plato's Republic. i.e. removing or limiting the benefits of power in some way.

I'm generally in favor of it.

The way senators used to be selected by the states had a similar effect.

After the us has been balkanized into a patchwork of territories we can try this out in a few of them.

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dwinblood 2 years ago

Yes, how we do it today made sense when they traveled to Washington D.C. once or twice a year and it took weeks for them to get there. They had their sessions and then they returned to live among their constituents.

That model no longer applies. I can tell you are aware of that as well.

I do think we have the communication and technological resources now that we could replace this with something else.

I also don't see any reason we don't have a method for quickly removing and replacing "representatives" that clearly vote against the interest of their constituents.

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heretickitten 2 years ago

Atom -> Molecule -> Cell -> Individual Person -> Family & Friends -> Community -> City -> State -> Nation -> Continent -> Earth -> Solar System.

Thus, a representative MUST be completely nestled in that hierarchy, exactly as stated, in that exact configuration, for them to be able to legitimately understand how human society is organized. This is how normal people live. This is how we do things as living beings on Earth. That is the natural order; perhaps even add a few more steps for nuance if you wish.

A person who lives as an individual person, but skips community, city, state, nation, and even continent, all the way to claiming that they have political dominion over the Earth itself, is most certainly not going to be part of any real community.

Meeting up with people at a WEF or other massive event, where it's clear that you are not meeting up with people in your community or even your nation, but instead, determining things about communities or nations, without those entities being involved, is most certainly a form of tyranny.

Money is very powerful, but the idea is to ensure that money is only used as much as it's needed, to the extent that we can measure value of goods and labor and have a functional economy that provides incentives to provide value.

When you have people who have a false value, for example, a billionaire who is apparently worth 100,000 times more than any random person in the world, we have to wonder just what has happened with money for that to be seen as true.

I can accept that some people may be greater or lesser than another person, in an abstract sense, and depending on context and variables, but 100,000+ times greater? In any context? Hmmm, I don't think so.

If you have one billion dollars, you can pay 100,000 people a $100k salary for one year each, and essentially have one hundred thousand people obey you for one year.

And if you were to team up with multiple billionaires, and military leaders, and politicians, and leave out us normal people, then you are essentially plotting on how to turn the entire world population into slaves, or determine their destiny wholesale.

There isn't really much chance that the richest, most powerful people in the world can all join together, and then turn around and say "Surprise! You all get to be free and have nice lives," right? No, that's probably not what's going to happen.

How do we deal with this?

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dwinblood 2 years ago

How do we deal with this?

First. Well said. That would have made a good post added as a link in comments here.

I don't know exactly how we deal with it. I know discussing and sharing information is one facet and is required. Yet I also know that simply discussing will not solve the problem.

I suspect as tends to be the norm it'll require calamity, blood, and misfortune on a biblical scale and the survivors might see the words leading up to it and do something about it.

Now I am not going to be in do nothing mode because that may be the case. I view that as kind of stating FATE. Yet I choose to rail against fate and make my own path. I'll still speak, take action when I can, and look for knew insights or opportunities that may offer an alternative path.

If not. I'll try to prepare so my people will hopefully be some of those in the distant future that survive. I'll speak words in the off chance that some word I say here or there helps someone come to a solution somewhere in the future.

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